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Ep.6 2 Geminis With Mics - A History on Womens rights in Canada

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Episode 6 - Women’s Rights & Retrogrades | 2 Geminis with Mics
In this powerful episode, we explore the evolution of women’s rights in Canada, share personal updates, unpack discriminatory laws, and sprinkle in some astrological insight because we’re still Geminis. ♊️🌙✨

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Keshia:

welcome back to Two Geminis with the Mikes. I'm Keisha and this is

Brooklyn:

Brooklyn!

Keshia:

And we are going to, well, we're finally back, um, hopefully with a more structured episode. Uh, we actually tried to organize today, guys, and, um, I think we did a pretty good job for our first time, but I'm a little biased.

Brooklyn:

Definitely. And also, I feel like we've worked really hard on this. Like, it was not, It was not just like, a couple hours here and there. It's like, been weeks.

Keshia:

Well, we spent two hours in a meeting. last weekend, just trying to figure out how to structure this'cause there's so much information. we basically today, uh, eventually we've got a few things we wanna do first, but we're gonna be talking about, uh, women, women's freedom and just a reminder of how recent or rights actually came into play in Canada specifically. We're really seeing a lot of movement in the States against women's rights, uh, gender equality rights, um, people in the LGBTQ plus, right? So it, I mean, it's, it's good to sometimes have a reminder of where we came from, where we are and hopefully where we will go instead of going back to,

Brooklyn:

Mhm. And not to ever go back.

Keshia:

I, think it shocked both of us to find out that there have been times where our rights seriously regressed in history. And I think that in itself is its own episode. So we'll try not to linger there too much. But, um,

Brooklyn:

We did our own little history lesson, and it was so somewhat enraging. That's where the feminine rage came in, and It honestly fueled me, and I feel so empowered knowing my rights, and knowing, like, I didn't realize how discrimination happens Every single day, still, still,

Keshia:

Because we actually want to give you the definition of discrimination today. So, uh, do you have it in front of you? Or do you want me to do it,

Brooklyn:

I can, I can get a quick, it was really shocking because it was just like, I know discrimination, but I didn't realize that it entailed. All of this stuff and I'm like, this has happened to me numerous times. I've literally witnessed it and it's still happening to this day. And this is a law in Canada. Not a lot of people are following.

Keshia:

No.

Brooklyn:

I'm like, Hmm, I almost forgot.

Keshia:

even see it like get amended a few times the Human Human Rights Act, where they'll like amend it and be like adding stuff in and it's almost like the way that they edit it, it almost looked like, at first it was a suggestion. I. They added more and it

Brooklyn:

Literally.

Keshia:

really need you to pay attention to this and now it's 2025. And, oh, which reminds me, I was going to say the date. We are recording this on, uh, February 1st, 2025, just in case any of our information no longer good in the near future.

Brooklyn:

Well, and it's just good to, yeah. And it's just good to date stamp it and just be like, this is. Where we're at in February 1st, 2025.

Keshia:

of astrology too. Yeah. So you're

Brooklyn:

And it's just good to know, because like, in the States things are changing. And I'm trying to make sure that they don't change here in Canada. And we get to keep our rights, because it is messy out there. And it's not just happening in the States. It's happening all over the world, where,

Keshia:

a lot of really scary shit going on right now. And I,

Brooklyn:

yeah.

Keshia:

I

Brooklyn:

Germany, France,

Keshia:

I

Brooklyn:

like

Keshia:

being there. And

Brooklyn:

the Middle East.

Keshia:

the Middle East has gotten really, really, really with women's rights right now. They don't have rights. What,

Brooklyn:

Mm hmm.

Keshia:

what

Brooklyn:

Exactly. And like, it's just getting worse and worse, and that's why I feel like it's important, because when,

Keshia:

in the Middle East. Let me

Brooklyn:

mm

Keshia:

that places in the Middle East. Yeah.

Brooklyn:

definitely, and like, in Canada, we are so lucky to be where we are at, and Cause when the stuff happened in the States in January, me and Keisha, we had like a really, like, I struggled really, really hard with it and then me and her had a conversation. And like, I just, I want to. Be able to make sure people remember where we've come from and how far we've gotten and to make sure we stay this way and we don't get rid of our rights. We don't let some man that doesn't even know women's. autonomy to have a say.

Keshia:

Or what consent means. Let me just throw that one out there. Jesus Christ. I should be swearing on the podcast probably, but I'm going to. thought we could also open, um, with a cheesy. this case, feminism, feminist joke, because that's the topic we're focusing on. And it's just so fitting if you know the astrology, which we will have a little astro moment for our astro hoes a little later. Or were we gonna call them astro sluts? You know, let us know in the comments.

Brooklyn:

Yeah, we're,

Keshia:

sluts?

Brooklyn:

playing with it. We're taking these words back because people are trying to use them against us and I am not letting it happen again in my lifetime.

Keshia:

And I don't care who it is, they're gender neutral terms in my world.

Brooklyn:

Definitely.

Keshia:

no matter who you are, or an astro slut. Anyway, um,

Brooklyn:

for all genders, let me just say that.

Keshia:

right? Are you ready? Okay, this,

Brooklyn:

Yes.

Keshia:

this little joke, okay. does a mansplainer get his water? From

Brooklyn:

know.

Keshia:

actually. Yeah, I know it's bad, I love it though. Anyway, this was from reddit, um, the poster's name was chemfem, and I just I think that person deserves to have a great day. I really do. Okay. Um, so I guess we'll just catch up with what we've been doing over the last few months and like where we've been. Um, I haven't been up to much interesting. So the way I like to say it when people ask me is I'm making new neuropathways. Because I'm exhausted like just oh my god. It's been I feel like the therapy journey never ends and It's always like even when you're doing the work and you're in the therapy You still have to apply it day to day and you have to try not to fall apart While still working every day a nine to five And surviving 40 hours a week and like, just, yeah, so for me, it's been a lot of saving lot of trying to make new habits, which again, I've started all over for January. We are in a progress, not perfection year is what I'm calling it

Brooklyn:

Yeah.

Keshia:

I cannot, I cannot be perfect about it or I will lose my damn mind.

Brooklyn:

Well, and

Keshia:

but other

Brooklyn:

we're, we're not, we're not, we're not focusing on perfection. We're focusing on progress.

Keshia:

We're working on ourselves without

Brooklyn:

Yeah.

Keshia:

turning it into a, uh, I don't know what the word would be, something that doesn't end. yeah, what about you, Brooklyn? What are you up to? What have you been up to? I already know.

Brooklyn:

I went traveling. Um, I went down to the States, which, um, I really wanted to do one last time before Trump came into power. Because stuff is just happening down there and I really like California and the west coast. I'm a west coast girly and I just The vibe down there is just so good And I just I wanted to do it one last time before trump got in and It was already messy down there, so I don't see myself going back down there for a little bit, just because of the craziness going on.

Keshia:

And like, we're waiting to see what exactly is going to happen. Cause there was supposed to be some stuff that came into effect today and I have not heard news on it. And I don't know if I want to look at the news right now because that can wait. Yeah. Yeah.

Brooklyn:

it just like, come to light how weird it is down there, and for a white person, you, it's, it's what you hear, like it was what I was hearing. from other people's voices that I was like, okay, okay, this is weird. So I'm just not gonna go down there for a little bit because I, as a woman, don't feel safe going down there, um, and I just feel much safer in Canada and traveling other places in the world. So that's what

Keshia:

probably going to keep my travel to Canada for a little while. Not that I travel a lot. But I could probably agree with that. I mean, and I try to remember like what we're being fed to by our media is a snippet, but it doesn't. It's still a scary snippet.

Brooklyn:

It is. It is. And like, me seeing it and hearing it myself, personally, was when, like, I already had a feeling that this stuff was gonna come up and be a problem, but then seeing it actually and hearing it out of people's voice, like, out of their mouths, I was just like, okay, this is scary. This is

Keshia:

Yeah.

Brooklyn:

times. Okay. Noted. Duly, duly noted.

Keshia:

Did

Brooklyn:

So yeah, that's one of the reasons why this women's right stuff is so serious to me.

Keshia:

whatever happens in the U. S. often influences. Canada in some unspoken way. And like, not only that, like maybe other places in the world, like, you can't help but wonder, like, a lot of people like to say that it's almost not, I've had a lot of conversations with people like saying that, like, that won't happen in Canada or X, Y, Z. And I'm like, you guys, you do realize that those people, like, these voices gaining traction in other places makes a Those voices in other places think they have more power. know what I mean? So then that rhetoric could filter in and those things in our parliament and things already that are discussions like, yes, we have those rights, like abortion rights, but so did the States a few years ago.

Brooklyn:

And we already have one politician that's been talking about them very loudly. So it's not a far reach. And that's why I feel like it is very important to talk about this because not only do I know women. That have needed abortions not for

Keshia:

Me

Brooklyn:

because

Keshia:

their

Brooklyn:

if it is just because that is nobody else's business but their own like we

Keshia:

raise that baby? Are

Brooklyn:

exactly

Keshia:

What if it's with somebody who's horribly violent and then that child also grows up in trauma?

Brooklyn:

and not even that and not even that like it's it's a part of our rights to choose what we want to do with our own bodies

Keshia:

We're

Brooklyn:

it's

Keshia:

this body for whatever reason, whatever your beliefs are, and then to think that that person does not deserve an Is it a not, I can't say the word, a not,

Brooklyn:

an anomaly

Keshia:

and no, I forgot the word, but essentially to make their own decisions about their own body.

Brooklyn:

oh yeah

Keshia:

word that encompasses all of that, but there's somebody out there that's probably yelling it at their. With their earphones in their head right now, but yeah, uh, nominated, uh, no, okay, nevermind. We're not gonna do that. Uh, we're just gonna, we're gonna throw that one out. so anyway, before we get too far off topic, we've got a lot of Stuff we want to get through today. So we're going to kind of volley into the topic now. Um, with the, we wanted to start with the definition for discrimination, which is essentially, um, this is from Oxford languages. Um, it is a noun, the unjust or prejudicial treatment different categories of people, especially on the grounds of ethnicity, age, sex, or disability. prejudging, unjust. Yeah. Anyway, to volley now into women's rights, I'm gonna throw back to 200 years ago. Most of what we're doing today is going to be within the last 105 years, maybe? I don't know, 120 years? Um, so There's so much more before that that I found after that, like, we couldn't even put it in this episode. Um, there's a lot of us having had rights and them getting removed and things like that. So, um, yeah, if people tell you they can't take your rights away, they are wrong. Um, But about 200, you're trying not to laugh at me, are you?

Brooklyn:

No, I'm just like, no, it's just, it's wild that in a span of 200 years, we had rights gotten taken away, had rights, got them taken away. And then there's astrology,

Keshia:

Yeah,

Brooklyn:

saying.

Keshia:

that's, oh my god, it made me so mad that I did not have enough time to really dig into this and see what was going on astrologically. Like, yeah, I really, really, really wanted to dig into that and see what our patterns are because a lot of the patterns that I'm learning about are from the states because I learned from a lot of astrology states people. Um, anyway, so this is just a brief little thing, a tidbit that I found that I, I wanted to research a little more into to make sure it was accurate. But from what I've read, uh, In areas, let's see. So, um, we did not have the right to education, hold public office, vote, or sit on our jury to name a few things about 200 years ago. Um, we could not own properties and mothers actually could not claim custody of their own children. So we grew and birthed them and ripped our bodies apart. And then they could not, that was one of the most infuriating things I read. but it actually wasn't until 1929 that we were declared as persons. That's people.

Brooklyn:

Women, women were declared white women,

Keshia:

Yes. White women. Yes. White women. Oh my gosh. the thing is, like, the amount of times I read this over, but you're right. Yeah. White women.

Brooklyn:

so, and then it was women that owned homes, but women could only own a home if they were married to a man. And like, cause back in the day. You would, the men would go off to war, to hunt, to whatever, and be left home. But in a lot of cases, they would have another home, another wife, whatever. So the women were allowed to own that home and vote if they owned a piece of property.

Keshia:

this was back, back then though.

Brooklyn:

Yes.

Keshia:

Yeah. We're not. Okay. Okay. Yeah. This is like, this is what I'm talking about. It's, it'll almost give you. whiplash though. It back and forth.

Brooklyn:

Yeah.

Keshia:

1916, so we're going to, I'm going to run through the province years very quickly. Um, because women won the right to vote in federal election. I think it was around 19, where did I have it? 1920?

Brooklyn:

1918, some women were granted the right to vote in federal election, which was white women over the age of 21 who were Canadian citizens.

Keshia:

Yeah,

Brooklyn:

It took another 40 years for all women to gain rights.

Keshia:

same right. Yeah, so that's the one that, um, the federal election,

Brooklyn:

Mm hmm,

Keshia:

what I'm going to run through right now is just the provincial elections, so whether or not you could vote provincially on your premier,

Brooklyn:

mm hmm,

Keshia:

and their party. Okay, so Manitoba became the first in Canada to win the right to vote, but I don't have that here, and then I, that was January, so we've got 1916. Uh, Manitoba got it in January, Saskatchewan got it in March, and then April, Alberta got it in April. Oh my god. Okay. This was then followed by BC and Ontario in 1917,

Brooklyn:

mm hmm,

Keshia:

in 1918,

Brooklyn:

mm hmm,

Keshia:

in 1919, Yukon was the same year, Prince Edward Island was 1922, Quebec was 1940. was not a part of Canada yet, until 1949, however they gave women the right to vote in 1925, provincially, well,

Brooklyn:

federally, provincially,

Keshia:

federally, provincially, they kind of almost got globbed in. seemed when they came over it because they didn't come until 1949 and most of women had to write then.

Brooklyn:

mm hmm. They were owned by the British colony.

Keshia:

yeah, yeah. Um, and then Oh, yeah. Okay. The Northwest Territories were given it in 1951. I think it's important to note that. Northwest Territories Canada has a lot of, uh, indigenous people that live there as well. So I don't know how many of them could actually vote because as mentioned previously by Brooklyn, uh, it wasn't until 1960 when they amended the Indian Act, please do not fault me for the name of it, to include, uh, that women could vote federally.

Brooklyn:

Mm hmm. It's wild.

Keshia:

just, yeah, and I would like to mention that, uh, none of it wasn't a territory until I was like 12. so it was just the Northwest Territories in Yukon at that time.

Brooklyn:

Mm hmm.

Keshia:

but yeah, it, it's, even just looking at this, I'm like, okay, so 1960, that was my parents lifetime. That's only what, like 40 years before we were born? Is

Brooklyn:

Yeah.

Keshia:

Yeah.

Brooklyn:

Nineties. We're nineties babies.

Keshia:

It's insane. Oh, 30 years then. Because

Brooklyn:

Yes. Oh my god.

Keshia:

Yeah.

Brooklyn:

Can't do math.

Keshia:

What is math? I, I hate math. I almost failed math. Don't even come at me for that. Anyway, it just, you sit down and you look at it and you're like, that's not that cold. None of this is that long ago. And then so you have, you have minorities. Speaking up and everybody's like, but, but look,

Brooklyn:

Yes.

Keshia:

you know what I mean? Like, I don't know, I guess just lack of research, lack of listening, less lack of empathy, people just not caring, you know, is why we. They why we have a habit of just like brushing off the fact that and minority rights and women's rights like they they feel like everybody thinks we have everything already if you are not one of these people,

Brooklyn:

Mm hmm. And you're not getting discriminated every day.

Keshia:

there you go.

Brooklyn:

it's like, like, that is what, like, when we were doing this research, I was just like, like, these history lessons are so wild. And like. I knew it's very recent just because I'm indigenous and I am aware of the Indian Act and the Sixties Scoops and all of this like growing up, nobody believed me until the Kamloops thing happened when all the children were unburied and then it was like, oh, and it's just like, we've been saying this forever

Keshia:

and like,

Brooklyn:

that

Keshia:

that, but the missing murdered indigenous women, like, that is a whole other issue. I can't even speak on it because I do not have enough research under my belt or reading under my belt about it. Like, I will admit that that's a hole in my own Um, but, like,

Brooklyn:

Knowledge is power.

Keshia:

yeah, it leaves you speechless. It really does. Like, when you start looking at stuff and you're like, like, I know we learned a little bit about women's rights, and I know I had to do a project on Agnes McPhail, which was like the first, um. Oh my God, I already forgot and I just read about her like in the last few days again, but it was almost like, uh, I'd like to know when I did that project because like, was it Venus retrograde? Like we're going through right now. And then now I'm doing something on women's rights. I just remember that being my first project and learning that she was in parliament at what? Time and she was like the first anyway, like, I was during my, I'm pretty sure both my grandmothers were alive then. So like, that's not the long ago guys.

Brooklyn:

No. No, it's not. It's wild. And like,

Keshia:

go ahead. Go ahead.

Brooklyn:

and like just, what's happening in the states with the deportation and the stuff that's happening and white, like I under, we know that we're white people but we're not on the same page as

Keshia:

We try not to be we try to educate ourselves. So we are not on the same page as these people.

Brooklyn:

Yeah.

Keshia:

way.

Brooklyn:

Yeah. And like, we try to do better and try not to discriminate. Like, we, for one, for me, I'm, I'm Indigenous. So it's, and, but like, when you are,

Keshia:

presenting though. So,

Brooklyn:

yeah, exactly.

Keshia:

enough for the indigenous people and white enough for the white people?

Brooklyn:

Well, exactly. Like, that's the thing is like, exactly. Like, growing up in school, I was still Made fun of for being indigenous and the indigenous people. Yes. And a redhead like both double edged sword.

Keshia:

Because even when you told me, I was like, you're not indigenous. And

Brooklyn:

Yeah.

Keshia:

best friend, like, come on.

Brooklyn:

Yeah. And it's just,

Keshia:

do better.

Brooklyn:

well, exactly. And like nowadays, so many of us have been mixed because of the 60 scoop because of everything that happened. And I've spent my thirties reconnecting with my. Heritage and with my culture because I was not allowed to even mention it. Like the first time I did, um, a paper on, on Métis people, it, my family was enraged by it. Like not all of like my, I had some family that were just like. Because it was traumatic for them. We were supposed to hide back then. We were not allowed, like in the 90's, we were not allowed to be proud. If we were proud, it was just like, and now we are finally,

Keshia:

closed mid 90s. Like, 96 or 94. So, like, yeah.

Brooklyn:

that's what I mean, like,

Keshia:

Yeah.

Brooklyn:

It's so wild. And if you were like the part of the Indian Act, you could vote if you gave up your Indian status.

Keshia:

Yes. Very true. Yes.

Brooklyn:

So,

Keshia:

1960 that you could, you didn't have to give up your Indian status. And that's, they labeled it as Indian status, guys. That's

Brooklyn:

and that's what, that's what the government, that is the word from the government. The, the government calls indigenous people Indians. And that's from like back in the day.

Keshia:

not amend

Brooklyn:

Yep.

Keshia:

haven't amended that title? Are you serious?

Brooklyn:

Still called the Indian Act.

Keshia:

core

Brooklyn:

It's still

Keshia:

they can't change the name of that damn act.

Brooklyn:

It's still called an Indian status card.

Keshia:

This makes me think about how we feel about women's rights and like how infuriating it is. I cannot imagine how that must be.

Brooklyn:

Well, in my generation, like in my 34 years that I've been on this planet, I have been an Indian. I have been a native and now my family is finally switching to indigenous, but not all of them. Some of them still have a hard time. Like when they're just like talking about it and passing, it's still native. Cause that's what we grew up with. And I still know a lot of people that still call it native.

Keshia:

and like, I can't say it doesn't slip out of my mouth sometimes I try not to, um, it's better than Indian, I guess, like, I don't know, but like, it's just, people, people get so mad about the need to change terms and stuff and it's like, but, It's not your term.

Brooklyn:

Well, and it's the systems we were raised in.

Keshia:

Like it's not yours to be mad about If somebody wants to be called something else, it's not yours.

Brooklyn:

well, for me, I'm very much for humanity and I don't understand why we mix everything with race because with race comes

Keshia:

Division,

Brooklyn:

Yes. And it's just like,

Keshia:

we are all human beings. We all bleed the same, like, what's gonna happen when aliens come,

Brooklyn:

they're like,

Keshia:

genuinely like, are we gonna band together then, or are we gonna be like, hopefully they're nice. I'm pretty sure they roll up their windows when they fly by, but whatever. Uh, I've been saying that for years, I was like, come on. now they might be coming out of the oceans, but that's another episode. my God. I was watching too many alien documentaries lately. I probably should have put that in the intro. That probably should have been part of my like, what have I been up to watching too many alien documentaries? Truly, I'm fascinated. so I kind of did like a where we are at now, but it's not really where we're at now. It's more like the last 5060 years. So we're going to dive into that part now, which is more not. Voting based and just like bank account based, because this is where I get real angry, because like, this is my grandmother's couldn't do this stuff. This is like 1964. We're starting to talk. Okay. So women could not open a bank account without their husband's signature 1964. 1971, the labor code was amended to include the prohibition of discrimination based on sex and marital status. So like, I could easily, I, I'm not married, I'm single, I'm 35, 34, I'll be 35 in April, Jesus. know your own age, Geisha. I would be discriminated against. be not, I, I wouldn't, I would not have value in a lot of ways, um. According to this, uh, strong reinforcement of the principle of equal pay for equal work and 17 weeks of maternity leave were added. 1974, women could apply for a credit card in their own name and get a mortgage or loan. 1974, that is 16 years before we were born. 1977, the Canadian Human Rights Act was passed. This is where I'm talking about, like, the amending thing, because this is This one I have here, so it was important, but I'm like, there's very little difference. The Canadian Human Rights Act was passed forbidding discrimination on the basis of sex and insuring equal pay for work, for equal work of value for women. insuring, I'm not sure if it's actually insuring, because if you Google it, we're still making like 80

Brooklyn:

It's

Keshia:

the dollar or something.

Brooklyn:

Still happening today

Keshia:

so, um,

Brooklyn:

in certain, um, jobs, it's similar pay for people, but in like the women, women,

Keshia:

Womany?

Brooklyn:

the women roles, like being a secretary,

Keshia:

I don't know. Can't keep

Brooklyn:

being like a secretary or admin. Or

Keshia:

That's what I mean.

Brooklyn:

those are, those are still considered women jobs and like a cleaner.

Keshia:

Even in my head. Even in my head. Like, I sit here and I'm like, Do we get paid so little as admins and stuff because it was a female job?

Brooklyn:

Yes.

Keshia:

prove that, but I'm pretty sure it is.

Brooklyn:

Yes.

Keshia:

that's opinion, I think, mostly. So take that one with a grain of salt.

Brooklyn:

Well, you look at construction workers versus like admins, they make more than we do.

Keshia:

Yeah, I know, right? Well, I guess I could, we could be construction workers now if we wanted to be sexually harassed every day. But again, I used to get sexually harassed at the front desk all the time too. So. And like, that's its own problem. Don't even get me started. Like, yeah, that's another episode though. Um, so that's what we've got for rights, voting, all of what we could find. And that is just the last 120 years. Um, I think we almost need to look at maybe where they're at now. maybe for a future episode, like, this is not something I think that we're going to be able to put to bed. I think this is something that's gonna come up multiple times, and, it's funny that I'm saying that because Venus is retrograde, which brings me to our, no, shadow phase. Which brings me to our astro moment of the day. I hope you're ready, astro hoes. I like astro slots, though. I do. Anyway. So, I'm not gonna go into super detail because I didn't get to Do the amount of research I would have liked to on this, like, I would have liked to have seen what happened in Canada during the retrogrades, but is actually fairly hard to find all of our rights and the organizational point of it in one place, you know,

Brooklyn:

Well, it changes provincially.

Keshia:

Yeah, That might have

Brooklyn:

Because that's,

Keshia:

main

Brooklyn:

that's what I found was when I looked into it, every province was way different. BC and Alberta were definitely one of the first provinces to give women their rights. Quebec and Ontario were one of the last ones. And there was like upper Ontario and lower Ontario. In the early 1900s and

Keshia:

Alberta. One thing I read that I didn't include that I really liked was what was the first to set a minimum wage for women.

Brooklyn:

yes,

Keshia:

you could not pay them under that. And I was like, I love that. I'm

Brooklyn:

yes,

Keshia:

So that made me really happy.

Brooklyn:

yes. And then did you go over 1977

Keshia:

The Canadian Human Rights Act. Yes. That one was the weird one. The one that's like an echo, but the only difference is yeah. Uh, almost prohibition of discrimination based on sex and marital status to forbidding discrimination on the basis of sex and ensuring equal pay. So that's the only difference I could find between those two and they're about six years apart, seven years apart. retrograde around there? I'm gonna have to look at that later.

Brooklyn:

maybe we'll do an episode on like the astrology of it.

Keshia:

We'd have to that one's going to take a while to put together. We got a lot to do on that one. Um, but anyway, okay. So Venus is in its shadow phase right now. I have some screenshots that I need to use to get the timing of this correctly. So, um, just bear with me. I forgot to write down the dates. Hey, I

Brooklyn:

Oh God.

Keshia:

you some organization. We're still doing way better than we normally do. Okay, so it went into its shadow phase. So essentially with a retrograde, as of January 28th, it went into its shadow phase. With a retrograde, you get three hits of any particular degree. In a 12 house astrology chart. trying to put this in as layman's terms as I can without getting too astrologically technical because my brain will just go. Um, so we entered the shadow phase. So that's the first one. time it's going to hit these degrees that it's going to come back to. So as of January 28th, you can start looking at your life and look for Venus themes in your life. you can be a bit more accurate if you know how to pull your chart. And you can look for your Libra house and your Taurus house, find out number house they're in, and Google the topics. That'll give you a little bit of an idea. But generalized Venus topics can be like women's rights, female, female presenting people, people who, um, maybe don't gender conform. A lot of rights movements and things like that, love, equality, uh, the fight for these things,

Brooklyn:

Fine arts, pleasure,

Keshia:

arts, pleasure, um, and sometimes it's even like, what am I? Oh, I had one. It's gone. Okay. Maybe it's not important. Whatever. Um, so. it's stations, February 23rd. So from January 28th to the station in February 23rd, that's going to give you a preview of what's going on for your Venus retrograde. So, um, once it's stations starts going backwards, you're going to start reliving some of the topics that came up up to that point. So

Brooklyn:

so,

Keshia:

Oh, go ahead.

Brooklyn:

so retrogrades are reviewing something

Keshia:

So now you're going to start reviewing shit like, it's like high school all over again. Just kidding. Um,

Brooklyn:

in your love life and fine arts and that kind of stuff.

Keshia:

if you can find topics that are almost coming up multiple times, like if you start to see a sequence, that's almost a guarantee then, like if you have, say Taurus rules your seventh, uh, that means Venus is going to rule your seventh house of relationships in long term and stuff, so you might have to revisit some of either the lessons you've learned there, or those people might revisit, it's not always Exactly those people, like a lot of the times I find that I'm reliving an echo of it are those emotions sometimes, pardon me. So, once it retrogrades, actually, I need to correct that, February 23rd is its station, it doesn't actually retrograde until March 2nd. So up till March 2nd. Then we're going to start reliving it. The stations are powerful, but I feel like I need to do a little more research on those. So I'm not going to go into them too much. Um, and then it's going to retrograde. It actually doesn't get moving out of that degree until the 8th, but it is still retrograde. So it's, it's a little slow. Right. Cause it's got to slow down then it got to get its momentum again and then vice versa. So anyway, um, April 12th is when it's going to station in Pisces again. Um, yeah, so it's a long one. These retrogrades are not slow, just like the Mars one. Um, and then it's officially out of its shadow phase by May 16th, meaning it's come all the way back to the, the degree it's stationed at before it started coming backwards. So May 12th is the full shadow phase. And, um, I think I would also like to say that, like, I kind of lost my thought there. It's gone.

Brooklyn:

It's okay.

Keshia:

She's gone. Okay. Anyway, but yeah, so these retrogrades are often revisiting as Brooklyn said, we come back. We, there are often echoes of our lives. Uh,

Brooklyn:

Of past.

Keshia:

past, so like the years we've got, um, if you look back at 2017, 2009,

Brooklyn:

I also just pulled up from 1905 until now, all of the Aries Venus retrogrades.

Keshia:

that's a good way of Googling it. How did I not think of that?

Brooklyn:

Do you want me to list them? Because I think this is quite fitting because we've already hit on some of these years.

Keshia:

Sure. Oh, wait, let me finish the dates for our lifetime and then we'll do that. Okay. So it was, uh, 2017, 2009, 2001, and 1993. Now I was three in 1993, so I don't know. um, lot of with the Venus synodic cycle too, it's starting to come out of these fire signs that it's been in for a long time and go a little more into Pisces, so that's our lifetime. Um, they were more in Aries, probably what she's about to talk about, I think. But, um, yeah, so look at those things, kind of think about what that might mean for you. Um, we chose Venus. And to talk about that, obviously, because of the topic of today's episode, but, um, go ahead, Brooklyn.

Brooklyn:

And because we're women. Also. So.

Keshia:

we have, uh, we have, yes, anyway, I was going to say something really inappropriate. Go ahead.

Brooklyn:

I. I. I.

Keshia:

exactly what I was going to do. Go ahead. I'm going

Brooklyn:

So I find it, so I just pulled up in the 1900s, because I feel like we're going to do a whole other episode on past women's rights. And then,

Keshia:

After finding that yesterday, we're going to have to. Anyway, keep going.

Brooklyn:

and then seeing this, I'm like, This is eerily, eerily. Astrology is wild. This is why we do it. Okay, so in 19 hundreds, the first venous retrograde in Aries was 19 0 5, 19 13, 19 21, 19 29, 19 37, 19 45, 19 53, 19 61. 1969, 1977, which was the discrimination

Keshia:

The Human Rights Act, I saw that come up twice in two Venus Retrogrades, the Canadian Human Rights Act, so I'm thinking that ties in pretty closely.

Brooklyn:

and then 1985 and then 1993 and then she went over the other ones,

Keshia:

Yeah.

Brooklyn:

but as soon as I Googled that, I was just like a 1977, 1921 and 1913 all struck me. I'm like,

Keshia:

the unfortunate part is finding, we won't be able to find times for a lot of this, but we'll be able to find months, and if we're lucky a day.

Brooklyn:

mm hmm.

Keshia:

So, um, and the closer you are to the exact time of something with astrology, the better you can do it. So it will, but at the same time, like, I want to know because we only get the state's view of it. And I would very like to very much like to see how that jives with Canada's, uh, Sibley chart is what they would call it.

Brooklyn:

definitely. And that's just from the astrology podcast.

Keshia:

yes.

Brooklyn:

that's his research. So that's why I thought I'd just mention that

Keshia:

Yes.

Brooklyn:

there.

Keshia:

trust Chris from the astrology podcast. He knows what he's doing. Um,

Brooklyn:

Yeah. We love him. Yes. We love everything that they do.

Keshia:

We do. I'm actually looking at his book right now. I got that for Christmas one year. Anyway. Um, oh, and so we're going to kind of end off here with a good news story because this was all just cabby. We're trying to go for a little bit more of a positive vibe to this podcast than just screaming about women's rights and being Um, the female rage. Also, female rage and venus retrograde just go hand in hand, I think.

Brooklyn:

They do.

Keshia:

Gender rage, really. Gender

Brooklyn:

Yes.

Keshia:

rage.

Brooklyn:

Yes. And it's just like when we say femme rage, we also mean the LGBTQ community. Like, I feel with being women, we are more like, they're, they're on our side. Yes. Mm hmm.

Keshia:

transgender women rights are female rights, and, um, black women got completely forgotten. Um, with a lot of the feminist movements in like last century, just completely, like they helped fight and they barely got anything from it. And like, maybe we don't do that this time with transgender rights, you know what I mean? Like, and not only that, but like, there's some stuff that's happening in the States. That is very questionable with these rights. It's horrible. Let's just call it horrible because like that's all you can call it. But, um,

Brooklyn:

Well, and it's like, Yeah, and like, for us, we are trying to say that women's rights are human rights.

Keshia:

Yeah.

Brooklyn:

And,

Keshia:

muddled it.

Brooklyn:

yeah, and like, it's, people that don't identify as male or female still matter. Discrimination is on sex. It doesn't matter which gender you choose. And it doesn't matter if you don't choose a gender. So, that's my tidbit, cause I have some gay, I have some transgender friends and I completely stand with them. I will stand till the end of freaking time because this world is already crazy enough that we forget to zoom out and be like we are all human. It doesn't matter.

Keshia:

Yeah. And that's just it. Like all of the division that comes through our world comes through the lens of discrimination or that that's what it feels like.

Brooklyn:

Mm hmm.

Keshia:

statement, but it sure correct. Um, okay. So on a lighter note,

Brooklyn:

Flipping the coin.

Keshia:

Yeah, we're gonna, we're gonna move on to something slightly more positive. um, okay. So we're going to go to our happy news story, which is, again, we wanted to pick something very female based, um, for this. Um, there is. Uh, a 16 year old goaltender in Ontario named Sophie, and I'm probably going to butcher her last name, so please give

Brooklyn:

Okay.

Keshia:

Toronto Marboros. I can't say it. Boroughs, um, so it's a U six triple A U 16 GTHL team. She's the only female. Um, this team has seen players like Connor McDavid, Jack Hughes, and. John Tavares, Tavares, um, they treat her like part of the team. She's got, they've even added an extra room in the change room for her. Uh, so she can still change with the team and they don't treat her any different. She's like, it, she loves the way she was interviewed. She said she loved, she loved when people underestimated her because it made the challenge so much more exciting. And I was like. I wish I had that fire at 16.

Brooklyn:

Mhm. I know.

Keshia:

So that was our little happy news story that I thought I'd bring and I just, I was like, see, this is what it's about.

Brooklyn:

Mhm.

Keshia:

She's breaking barriers. She's already watched all these very famous women on just women's hockey

Brooklyn:

Yes. Mhm.

Keshia:

like she idolized them. And then now she's literally on a male dominated team. I was just like, that was that impressed the shit out of me. That was so brave.

Brooklyn:

Right? And being the only female, like, that is so And then playing against men, like, other guys? Like, that is a challenge in itself. And

Keshia:

tender too. So she's like doing the high hand eye coordination. Even her team's like, don't go for that glove. That glove's going to get you every time. Cause she's so good. I'm like, I love that so much. yeah. So that's most of what we had planned for today. what do you want to say for goodbye? Like,

Brooklyn:

Keep Remember we are all human. Keep fighting that fight. Don't Don't Let us go back in time

Keshia:

yeah, don't go back.

Brooklyn:

This is this is a Venus retrograde everything is under review and after the years that we just gave you and Astrologically what's going on, please? Like I I am Here for equality for everyone, every human, it doesn't matter. Gender, sex, race, religion, nothing. I could care less.

Keshia:

Yeah.

Brooklyn:

mean anything to me. It's being human, right? Like,

Keshia:

Yeah. Don't be an asshole and treat people like they're people

Brooklyn:

exactly. Be kind also to yourself.

Keshia:

be kind. Yeah.

Brooklyn:

when you, when you,

Keshia:

with ourselves.

Brooklyn:

yes.

Keshia:

my favorite.

Brooklyn:

And when you start being kind. And loving to yourself, it just trickles out. So when you take it within and start loving yourself within, it's easier to love other people and just.

Keshia:

I read. I hope I have it because it would be perfect exit to this. Um, but I recently read somebody read something where somebody had all re explained essentially that, um, you know, you can't love anybody until you love yourself thing and it really triggered. Not triggered in a good way. Um, it really brought to light a lot for me. So I would like to read it. It is, um, it looks like it was probably on Reddit, but it's just one of those things that goes around on, like Instagram and it's like a screenshot. So I'm going to read it. Um, so it was from compassionate reminders and it says no one can love you until you love yourself like the worst possible way of articulating. If you don't respect and value yourself, it's very easy to become attracted to people who

Brooklyn:

Okay.

Keshia:

will respect and care about other people. But like, I find like, often than not, it's somebody's own insecurities and trauma that they are reflecting back to you.

Brooklyn:

Yep,

Keshia:

Hate

Brooklyn:

yep, literally, it's normally something that they're trying to hide about themselves. And. They're pointing the finger at someone else, so they don't realize it's them because they have so many fingers pointing back at them.

Keshia:

I

Brooklyn:

It's wild.

Keshia:

big, like, inter emotional conspiracy theory going on where I literally think a lot of the people who hate gay people are probably gay. Or on the spectrum. Spectrum

Brooklyn:

Or just don't know how to love themselves, and they're jealous that they can't feel that way towards themselves. Because like, yes, men were brought up to just.

Keshia:

of gender, I meant. Not like

Brooklyn:

Yes,

Keshia:

like, yeah, okay.

Brooklyn:

And like, women have always just been in their feelings. Like, we're bitchy, we're sad, we're emotional. That has always just been a femme energy, where men aren't supposed to cry, you're not supposed to cry, and like, suck it up, buttercup, and like that kind of stuff, you know what I mean?

Keshia:

I read something that said that men are taught by like the age of eight, probably at the latest they're not allowed to feel

Brooklyn:

Yes.

Keshia:

norm in our society. And like,

Brooklyn:

No they don't.

Keshia:

I think that's also a huge part of what issue in a lot of our things is, is they can't empathize because they're not taught to empathize and they're not allowed to empathize because what is empathy, but emotion and feeling other emotion. You know what I mean? Like, I think about this a lot because I've come into contact with so many people who just don't have empathy and I'm like, my whole life is empathetic. so much so that I had to learn boundaries because it was so unhealthy.

Brooklyn:

Yep.

Keshia:

Anyway,

Brooklyn:

I know. And just like, our Beautiful, beautiful. Um, I was going to say friend. RuPaul.

Keshia:

we feel like he's a friend,

Brooklyn:

Yeah, I watch him enough that I honestly, I'm like, I'm going to spend time with RuPaul.

Keshia:

the millionaires, so

Brooklyn:

Right? And it's like, how the hell do you love someone else? Why can't I

Keshia:

getting

Brooklyn:

remember it? Oh my God.

Keshia:

How the hell can you love somebody else if you can't love yourself?

Brooklyn:

There we go. Yes. That's, that's what I was trying to say.

Keshia:

Like, and then I think it's, uh, how much they have to love themselves to be able to get in drag. Um,

Brooklyn:

Hmm.

Keshia:

and face possible ridicule, uh, I think it's a powerful thing.

Brooklyn:

Yes. And just like,

Keshia:

Incredibly brave.

Brooklyn:

And do you know,

Keshia:

transgendered people and anybody in the LGBTQ plus community, like, they just, to live out, even in this day and age, whether they have rights, there's still discrimination. It's brave.

Brooklyn:

it is,

Keshia:

Like, I hid for a lot of years. I'm not on, as far as I know, I mean, never say never, I guess, but it's a spectrum. But like, as I know, I'm not part of that community, but I think that they are impressive.

Brooklyn:

but you're an ally.

Keshia:

Yeah, I think they're incredibly impressive

Brooklyn:

Yeah. And like, for me, I learned how to love myself through that community.

Keshia:

me too.

Brooklyn:

Like

Keshia:

too. It's like,

Brooklyn:

that is

Keshia:

you can go

Brooklyn:

I got confident.

Keshia:

and do this?

Brooklyn:

Yes.

Keshia:

what? And I'm scared to have an opinion.

Brooklyn:

And they're representing women. Like they sign their power when they become women. And then it was just like. But I am a woman. Where's my power?

Keshia:

Yeah.

Brooklyn:

And then that was like literally birthing the new Brooklyn. Like that was like my phoenix moment was when it was just like they find their power from femininity. And I'm like, I, I am that. Where's mine? And then once I dug down, I was just like, Oh my God.

Keshia:

One thing. One thing I want to cover before we sign off, whether this makes it into the episode or not, I have no idea, but noticed with this Venus Retrograde 2 energy that, like, noticing a lot of my insecurities coming up since, like, Monday. Securities that I didn't remember having, or used to have, and have not seen in a while, and I'm, like, so hard on myself right now, so I think, um, and mine's very much in, like, a public place, so it would be very external and, like, Physical and stuff for me. Well, yeah, anyway, I'm going to get too technical if I go that down that road, but like it's very forward. So like all these physical, like. Insecurities that I have are coming back and I'm like, where did this come from? They're worse now because I've aged and my skin's different or my hair's different or x, y, z, q, y, z, z, I don't know. Anyway,

Brooklyn:

Yes, doing your makeup in your 30s is completely different than doing your makeup in your 20s. Like once we have like wrinkles and like the skin doesn't skin anymore.

Keshia:

and like my eyes, I've always had a lot of extra like skin here. And I remember being 12, 12 or 13 and somebody telling me I had wrinkly eyes. Multiple people. I never got over it. Like, come on. is the thing that lives with you. And like, so now I'm 35 and that skin's changing again. And I'm like, wrinkly fucking eyelids. And then I'm like, wait, I'm like, wait, I get to age.

Brooklyn:

Definitely.

Keshia:

age, and I, not a lot of people get to do that, and I just want to age gracefully, because, I'm sorry, I don't have the money to be spending on Botox, y'all, I'm gonna have to, I'm gonna have to live with the wrinkles, I'm not doing it,

Brooklyn:

Botox and filler. No, no, no.

Keshia:

for me,

Brooklyn:

They're literally proving, like when they do, I think it's an CT, they see it move, and it doesn't, it doesn't dissolve. It just moves to a different part of your body, so you just keep adding it, and it's just like,

Keshia:

like,

Brooklyn:

it's still, even when it is dissolved, it just dissolves into the body,

Keshia:

It'll, like, go into here and, like, down

Brooklyn:

and the moon face. It's really bad. No Botox. No filler.

Keshia:

but I'm just saying, like,

Brooklyn:

Just natural.

Keshia:

gracefully, and then they give us all these ways to prevent it. I'm doing quotations, prevent. and then it's like, oh, to psych, it moves.

Brooklyn:

Well, and like, it's so new. And like, we don't know what it does to our bodies.

Keshia:

No, that's what I mean, like, that you gotta look at that long game and some of these, like, sometimes I'm glad I have anxiety. I'm like, at least it forced me to look at the long game of shit, you know, like, if I do this 20 years down the road, what is going to happen? Nonetheless, we're at like an hour and 20 minutes, so I'm going to have to cut some shit out of this, but, um, which is fine because I talked a lot of garbage too. So, um, yeah, we'll see you guys next time. We don't know what the next episode is going to be. Uh, like you, as you saw today, we're trying to take a more Detailed approach, a more organized approach. We didn't do too bad either. Like, I'd like to give us a pat on the back. We kind of stuck to the thing. and we still had fun.

Brooklyn:

Yes.

Keshia:

yeah, you got any, any more remarks you want to say before I cut this out?

Brooklyn:

No, that was amazing. I loved it. I thought it was very good and the information we got out there I think is very important just to be reminded, especially since we're going through a Venus retrograde and all of these things are going to be under review.

Keshia:

Yes.

Brooklyn:

not go back in time.

Keshia:

Let's not do it to ourselves. And I don't sing for a reason. Love you guys. Bye. So.